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Report: #1391967

Complaint Review: Keystone RV - Nationwide

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Keystone RV Keystone RV Company False / Incomplete Advertising on Product / Model Specifications Goshen Indiana

*Consumer Comment: I used to own a RV repair business Here's some good food for thought

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Purchased a 2017 Keystone Cougar 29BHSWE this spring which advertised a 15,000 BTU capacity air conditioner on this make / model within Keystone's product literature. I could not figure out at first why the existing air conditioner could not keep up regarding moderately elevated temperature conditions. So I followed the maintenance guide by removing the exterior plastic shroud (cover) on the roof to ensure no debris was blocking air flow. Once I removed the exterior plastic cover it revealed the air conditioner manufacturer's tag (sticker) with the unit's actual model number. When I researched the actual model number it revealed that the air conditioner unit is actually a 13,500 BTU capacity unit ... not 15,000 BTU capacity as advertised in Keystone's literature.

I called Keystone customer service who told me that the 13,500 BTU was an unadvertised downgrade option, was stated on the build sheet of my trailer, and nothing could be done to make this right (removing the exiting 13,500 BTU unit and installing the proper 15,000 BTU unit as advertised in the product literature). Nowhere in their product literature for this make / model was it disclosed that the 13,500 BTU air conditioner unit was an option ... nor was I made aware of this before purchasing the unit. The dealer sales representative also admitted he did not realize this discrepancy (nor relay this discrepancy to me) since he simply relays what is in the product brochure (the dealer sales representative also not realize the build sheet was different than the actual product brochure literature).

The dealer sales representative stated he intends to contact the manufacturer's rep (and his in-house general manager) to discuss how they will handle this issue going forward. It is my hope that Keystone will make this right ... but I am extremely skeptical after experiencing the poor outcome when I contacted their customer service department regarding this issue. Keystone customer service even advised during the phone call that I should discuss this directly with my sales transaction dealer ... which made me believe that Keystone may actually expect the dealer to adsorb the potential cost of making this right ... when it is Keystone's deceptive incomplete / false advertising that caused this issue ... not the dealer. It is my hope that this posting will help motivate Keystone to do the right thing by installing the 15,000 BTU air conditioner unit as advertised in their product brochure literature (and on the internet). I will insert a follow up post regarding the outcome of this situation ... more to come.

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I used to own a RV repair business Here's some good food for thought

AUTHOR: RV dealer fraud Investigator - (USA)

POSTED: Wednesday, September 20, 2017

Here's some of the problems I have with RV dealerships.

 
 
1 most RV dealerships that I'm aware of do not do pre-delivery inspections before they put the coaches on the lot for sale.
 
2. Mini RV dealerships do not educate the public how explosive propane gas is in the safety precautions that all RV owners should take.
 
3. they do not show their customers how to check for leaks in the propane system.
 
4. they do not inform them what to do for the most part when they suspect leaks in the propane system.
 
5. Predelivery inspection is a very important but most RV dealerships like I said do not want to pay their RV technicians to do complete predelivery inspection to make sure the customers are buying something that has oh functions working properly before they put the coach on the lot for sale that should be one of their priorities.
 
6. customers do not understand when you're buying a brand new motorhome the Monroe leave law regarding MSRPs do not apply when it comes to the RV industry because they are not passenger vehicles.
 
7. be very careful when you go to an RV show and sale.  Most of the time you're going to get caught up in the sale and the excitement at the RV shows you're going to wind up paying way more than the coach is actually worth.
 
8. here's some information for people to plan to buy a motorhome and want a smoking deal.  The best place to buy a motorhome is RV storage facilities were people are paying a monthly fee to store their motorhomes because they can't keep them at the place that they live.  Those people are tired of paying the monthly rent for the RV storage of their motorhome that they can't keep their house and they're ready to get rid of it.  
No sales tax. No documentation fees. And most of the time the people that sell these motorhomes don't know the true market value in those cases the person is planning on buying it is going to get a smoking deal.
 
9. when you going to an RV dealership and you plan to buy a used motorhome good luck because most of the time again the RV dealerships do not want to pay RV technicians to do a complete thorough inspection to make sure everything works properly.
 
 
When you Plan to buy a motorhome of your choice not to sales reps choice it would be very smart for you to ask for predelivery inspection sheet it usually comes in several pages.  That's if the RV dealership actually does them.  Bring yourself an RV technician with you before you sign any documents have been kind a give you a basic walk-through looking for things that might be wrong with the coach if it's a use coach but remember don't you think it would be smart if an RV dealership would actually do a complete predelivery inspection to make sure everything works before they place it on the lot for sale ?????
 
Let me give you some numbers hear about the explosive capability of propane.  
Let's say that you have 1 gallon of propane in a very small tank in a barbecue grill.  While the propane that 1 gallon of propane is inside the container it's in liquid form.   If the propane system has a leak that 1 gallon of propane will expand it 270 gallons of explosive vapor.   It's called the expansion rate.
 
Now let's say that you have an RV has a 35 gallon propane tank.  You have 35 liquid gallons of propane inside the tank when it's inside the tank under pressure.  Now let's say that that propane system that has 35 gallons in the tank has a leak in it that the RV dealership never found because they refused to pay their RV technician to do a complete LP gas system leak down test. If that 35 gallons of liquid propane in the tank leaks inside of the coach and outside because of a leak that was never detected the 35 gallons of liquid propane will expand the 9450 gallons of explosive vapor.   That is enough paper to blow that motorhome completely into pieces if for some reason it's ignited from a pilot light or a candle or a cigarette.
 
Now after reading the above paragraph don't you think that it's important that RV dealerships should do complete LP gas system checks for leaks and make sure that the LP gas regulator is not leaking and the LP gas regulator is operating at normal operating pressures. ???? I used to get hired by attorneys as an expert witness and testify in court after a customer bought a motorhome and had major issues that were not disclosed before the purchase. I know what I'm talking about because I used to own an RV repair a business and I seen some crazy things that RV dealerships would put on their lot for sale. Now do your homework every time before you buy a motorhome if you like what I have to say post a comment maybe I'll post even more information for you..
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