Report: Dr Luis Arriaza - Dennis Wong - IXP.net - 2by2.net
Category: Multi Level Marketing
Dr Luis Arriaza - Dennis Wong - IXP.net - 2by2.net ripoff MLM SCAM They will steal your money make false promises and rip you off Orange California
*UPDATE Ex-Employee responds ..I Had the Same experience
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Dr Luis Arriaza - Dennis Wong - IXP.net - 2by2.net
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Orange, California,
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Submitted: 5/26/2004 3:52:26 PM
Modified: 6/3/2007 6:52:29 PM
Marcus
Azusa, CaliforniaThese 2 people named are the big leader and founder of this company. They tell all kinds of lies to get people to join.
People are invited to a 'computer' or 'technology' meeting, and then presented a brain-washed sales pitch by these guys. The reps in the audience are trained to yell out certain words and responses like parrots at certain points in the presentation.
Then they pressure you to join, and dont let you leave if you dont want to. They will go get other leaders and reps who will try to make you feel stupid if you do not join.
They say it is e-commerce and that it is all legit, but I have checked it out and found that the Better Business Bureau has given it a negative rating, and that the FTC has a big lawsuit against them for fraud and deception.
Worst of all, Arriaza and Wong talk about being servants of God, yet the whole time they are stealing people's money.
The whole point is to recruit other people to join so you can get a match pay. This is a total pyramid scheme. I know it is just a matter of time until it gets shut down.
WATCH OUT IF YOU ARE INVITED TO A MEETING BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE VERY CHARMING AND CONVINCING! BUT THE WHOLE TIME THEY ARE LYING TO YOU, TELLING YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR SO YOU WILL GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY!!!!
Marcus
Azusa, California
U.S.A.
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Updates & Rebuttals:
- THAT IS THE TRUTH! ..TRICKED ME TOO! Sammy [5/26/2004 6:48:47 PM]
- It's your own choice. This is NOT a scam. Brenden [9/8/2004 9:03:03 PM]
- Legalities aside Darren [9/9/2004 1:32:10 PM]
- Here is where you can find the facts Kristian [9/10/2004 12:52:51 AM]
- Excellent. If we want our repots to have weight, then it is important that everyone holds all posters to a level of honesty and truthfulness. Darren [9/11/2004 6:17:40 AM]
- Internet Company IXP is a ri-off needs to be shut down I almost fell for their lies Ikee [10/5/2004 10:29:13 AM]
- My Thoughts on IXP.NET Korey [10/24/2004 9:46:06 PM]
- Any of the people out there who think IXP.NET is a scam, take a look at yourself and read more about the industry we are in Greg [10/24/2004 9:51:29 PM]
- This is the Greatest Company Nicole [10/25/2004 6:54:57 AM]
- It's not a scam James [10/25/2004 7:36:49 AM]
- Leadership Trainee Matthew [10/25/2004 1:12:51 PM]
- The mark of an educated mind is to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Rashan [10/28/2004 2:41:34 PM]
- I Love IXP Ryan [10/28/2004 8:53:06 PM]
- Same guy writing all these support reports Sammy [10/29/2004 5:09:36 PM]
- Look At Arriaza's and Wong's History Juan [10/30/2004 5:08:20 PM]
- The Ultimate Change: Financially and Emotionally Caron [11/11/2004 10:43:21 PM]
- WOW I can not believe there is so much negativity in this world Mariluz [11/12/2004 2:26:26 PM]
- Great Brainwashing, and lots of BS ..Dennis Wong and Jeff Morgan have had lawsuits against them for deceptive marketing practices in their previous MLM companies, and also in 2by2/IXP. Samuel [11/14/2004 12:00:11 PM]
- My side. this negative stuff about IXP and it just drives me crazy. Paul [11/16/2004 12:45:22 PM]
- Looks like brainwashing to me Tim [11/17/2004 3:15:00 PM]
- Quick Fact ..AOL just sent about 8 million customers a letter stating that they can no longer offer them broadband. Rashan [11/17/2004 10:38:41 PM]
- Buggy whips and engine cranks - you're marketing an obsolete product! Tim [11/18/2004 9:47:37 AM]
- What sense do you make? Netzero has been increasing their customer base Rashan [11/19/2004 12:15:47 AM]
- THIS IS A GOOD ONE!!!!!!! J.P. [11/24/2004 4:30:43 AM]
- FACTS AND HISTORY DO NOT LIE Jim [11/27/2004 3:25:47 PM]
- The numbers game Tim [11/30/2004 1:43:38 PM]
- Oddly Enough... Rashan [12/1/2004 2:59:30 PM]
- IXP does a great job...brainwashing Kristian [12/1/2004 5:41:14 PM]
- The good, the bad, and the ugly. Drew [12/8/2004 2:40:54 PM]
- my own story J.T [12/9/2004 3:34:36 AM]
- Be Careful I felt the same way about Dennis Wong Seong Cheol [12/9/2004 10:21:36 PM]
- UNDERSTAND YOUR OPINION..BUT IT'S STILL AN OPINION GREG [12/11/2004 6:56:16 AM]
- Good response, I am sure that whoever ur team leader is will be very happy. Seong Cheol [12/11/2004 8:09:14 PM]
- Well said ..It is true that all these responses from reps are 'canned'. John [12/12/2004 3:51:31 PM]
- Same garbage being reposted and reposted Mattythis [12/15/2004 3:44:43 AM]
- A Fair and Balanced Look Dr [12/28/2004 1:57:12 PM]
- Here are the stats the PROVE everyone's argument Mary [12/31/2004 5:55:55 PM]
- mary you don't understand ..facts are true b/c most of the people don't make all the money..it's been told.. Greg [1/5/2005 4:11:29 PM]
- Greg Is In Denial...IXP is DYING John [1/6/2005 9:30:17 PM]
- IXP.NET: Shady, very shady indeed. Sophal [3/12/2005 12:15:19 AM]
- IXP is a freakin scam, just a college kid who wanted to make money Alexander [4/4/2005 10:06:59 PM]
- I'm staying away. Mike [4/5/2005 11:41:47 AM]
- It's A Waste Of Time And Money Ask Me [4/22/2005 10:37:52 AM]
- IXP MAYBE A RIP BUT EH WHAT YOU GONNA DO Max [6/1/2005 2:23:24 PM]
- Just Got Back From IXP Presentation Howard [6/18/2005 4:31:05 PM]
- IXP morals of getting employees Jack [7/19/2005 6:07:58 PM]
- 2by2.net ruin my credit John [9/1/2005 12:39:33 AM]
- I have been working with IXP for 2 months Heather [10/23/2005 8:52:47 PM]
- Dealt with them as well. Thomas [12/18/2005 1:10:24 AM]
- Went to the meeting... T [1/3/2006 12:24:40 PM]
- Just did One meeting!!!! 390&& raised a big red flag. Xavier [2/10/2006 5:22:26 PM]
- EX-REP from Mexico Jose Luis [2/27/2006 3:12:56 PM]
- Important Addition 2004-2006 Joe [6/29/2006 9:58:07 PM]
- yor.com is the biggest scam EVER!!!!! Dave [7/16/2006 8:37:44 PM]
- absolutely outrageous rants with no evidence cannot be ignored for the well-being of yor.com Jesus [8/5/2006 12:29:22 AM]
- That was some of the most ridiculous crap I've ever heard Timothy [8/6/2006 6:49:45 AM]
- this is the truth behind bull****...I mean MML Dave [8/19/2006 11:00:46 AM]
- think Dave [8/21/2006 9:52:33 PM]
- I joined Yor.com [2by2's new name] 3 days ago and... Antherus [10/4/2006 2:26:10 AM]
- 2by2 reps, remember this response a few years down the road. Bo [10/5/2006 1:36:35 AM]
- Yor .net aka: 2by2 & IXP - Ripoff artists - a Pyramid Scheme - They changed their name to avoid the authorities. Swindled [10/18/2006 5:06:44 PM]
- Quick Story and a Question Aaron [12/12/2006 10:54:01 PM]
- IXP.net now it's called YOR.NET Salas [12/27/2006 11:49:04 AM]
- IXP is a scam Eric [1/6/2007 1:40:54 PM]
- Yorvoice.net is all about the money from new recruits Nam [3/2/2007 12:20:00 PM]
- sorry about the broken link Nam [3/2/2007 10:09:45 PM]
- I ALMOST got duped by a beautiful woman! Fred [4/4/2007 1:25:28 AM]
- I Had the Same experience Brian [6/3/2007 6:46:15 PM]
THAT IS THE TRUTH! ..TRICKED ME TOO!
THESE GUYS TRICKED ME TOO! I LOST THOUSANDS AND ALMOST LOST MY BUSINESS. EVERY MONTH THERE WAS MORE PRESSURE TO HAVE MORE MEETINGS, PUT IN MORE TIME, TRAVEL TO RECRUIT, PAY FOR CUSTOMERS!
DO NOT TRUST THESE GUYS. THEY SWINDLED ME TOO, AND NOW THEY ARE MOVING INTO THE EAST COAST AND EVEN LATIN AMERICA.
IF SOMEONE IVITES YOU TO 'MEET SOMEONE WHO REALLY KNOWS HOW TO MAKE MONEY' RUN AS FAST AND FAR AWAY AS YOU CAN!!!
Submitted: 9/8/2004 9:03:03 PM
Modified: 9/9/2004 12:50:35 PM
Brenden
Garden Grove, CA, CaliforniaU.S.A.
It's your own choice. This is NOT a scam.
Some people just don't have anything better to do than feel bitter. About what? A business that costs less than your X-Box or the stupid street racer modifications you put on your pathetic cars? How much money is that making you? The real scam is your broke thinking. Hello ever heard of NETWORK MARKETING? Business is business. Grow up! Jobs do not require and investment so get it straight, this is not a JOB. Ever taken Economics and high school or did you fail that too. Some people are so weak minded that once some another bitter person says 'scam', you believe it. Check your sources before you listen to them. If they are not wealthy or very successful, what are THEY going to teach you about a business? Do you listen to your broke friends? Yeah, follow them and see where YOU end up. Dr Luis is a hard working honest man and posting negative comments about him like this is very childish. If you really know Dr. Luis or Mr.Wong you wouldn't be posting this trash. IF ANY OF YOU OUT THERE READ THIS, NOTE THAT THE ABOVE TRASH POSTED BY THESE SENSELESS PEOPLE IS JUST OUT OF IGNORANCE. AGAIN, CHECK YOUR SOURCES. THEY MAY JUST BE THE REAL SCAM.
Legalities aside
Marcus,
I can't find anything on the FTC website about an investigation or lawsuit. Neither could I on Google.
To be fair, if it is true, then if you could post a link of something (case file and location) then it would help validate the issue. It would impossible for a company to prove that there isn't an investigation or lawsuit.
A quick rule of thumb... if the people doing a presentation are spending more time about how you can sell the program to family and others than they are on the product... it is a pyramid.
What is more important... the product they are selling? Laundry detergent, perfume, financial services... if all the talk is about how you can bring others into the company and get money from that 'cash flow' then you need to run as fast as possible.
Brenden,
I have taken those college courses when I got my BA in Business from CSUSB. What is your point?
Unfortunately, the laws against these are written in a way that they can be gotten around.
And not that you would claim it... but others have... MLM is not taught at any reputable business school.
Thanks,
Submitted: 9/10/2004 12:52:51 AM
Modified: 9/10/2004 6:18:16 PM
Kristian
Long Beach, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Here is where you can find the facts
You can view the FTC lawsuit report by going to ixp.net.
On that corporate page, you can click on the banner that says 'Important FTC lawsuit settlement terms.' It is a very long document, but that is where you can read what they were busted for.
It was an 11 million dollar verdict for deceptive business practices.
The interesting thing is that the company has put a spin on it calling it a 'speeding ticket' due to the practices of 'a few rogue reps'.
This is not true. The deceptive recruiting practices continue today, and when I was in the company from 1999 to 2003 we still did the same things. They were taught to us be the people Marcus mentioned, Dennis Wong and Dr Arriaza, and the other 'leaders'.
Anyway, Fox 11 news in Los Angeles did an undercover piece on ixp.net when it was called 2by2.net and revealed the rampany deception that was occurring. The better business bureau also received many complaints from reps and customers. The publicity was so bad that they had to change their name from 2by2.net to ixp.net.
That is probably why you could not find anything on ixp.net. You have to search the bbb.com or ftc under the name 2by2.net.
They were pretty smart to change their name like that.
They do a systematic brainwashing on their reps. A perfect illustration is Brenden's own words in his post. They like to target young kids of college age and feed them these lines that he has repeated here.
I suggest you go to google and type in 2by2.net sucks forum. This is a forum at network 54 where people have posted their experiences. Brenden has been there, as I have seen his posts. Actually, he likes to bury useful threads with nonsense anytime facts like these are posted.
And Brenden, please take my advice...I know you will not listen, but please keep your eyes open. I have known Dr Luis for over 12 years. I am a well-educated professional, as were many of us on his team. He is a very skilled and convincing manipulator, but he is also a bold faced liar who really only has his own interest in mind.
Just look at what some of his patients have posted about him on this website. If you want more proof, ask him why NONE of his old friends have anything to do with him. As a matter of fact, almost all of us who were involved in the company with him when he first got in actually would consider him an enemy. He has destroyed many lives with his lies, and led many businesses to financial ruin through the false promises he gave.
Let me put it to you this way...do your own research...find out why his original partners, Dr Mata and Charles Gallegos are no longer with him in the business...
It is because they were not making the kind of money he claimed they were, despite all the effort. And also because he kept screwing them over, like racking up charges on their credit cards for hotel rentals for presentations and not paying his share.
Ask him what happened to his team from Advantage Graphics, who used to have a thriving business and used to put all the 2by2 decals on cars. He pressured them to get a Lambo. Told them they had no faith in him or the company if they did not. At the time they were in the top producer inner circle, and listened to him. BTW, they were making less than $300 dollars per week as a 'top producer.'
THeir business failed thanks to his pressure. He did the same thing to many of his chiropractic friends, and attorneys. Ever wonder why none of them are around him anymore?
All of us were professionals with marketing and networking experience. So Brenden, we do not fit your example of the type of person you portrayed. I am self employed and make a great living and have a fantastic lifestyle. I wish you the best, but want you to be warned about these unscupulous people before you suffer the horrible fates that so many have had.
Anyway, the facts dont lie.
Excellent. If we want our repots to have weight, then it is important that everyone holds all posters to a level of honesty and truthfulness.
Kristian,
Thank you for the excellent report. I wish all reports could be like that one.
People get upset with me because I question reporters and the respondants... they see it as my being a self appointed judge or something.
To me, this is a public forum that is a tool to alert consumers to frauds and rip-offs. It is also a very good forum for companies to respond if they wish.
Most companies don't because there is so much sniping (I am guilty here myself) and unsubstantiated reports.
In the past, a disgruntled customer had no recourse except to tell people over coffee at work. Here, the coffee table has broadened.
If we want our repots to have weight, then it is important that everyone holds all posters to a level of honesty and truthfulness.
Thank you!
Internet Company IXP is a ri-off needs to be shut down I almost fell for their lies
IXP is a rip-off company and needs to be shut down I almost fell for their lies. when I went to the company at a hotel in Milford Ct They were saying how you can retire at the age of twenty three and have milliones of dollars but its a big lie if you want to join they will say it coost $450.00 to get in the company I told them i do not have that kind of mony they put lots of pressure on me making me feel stupid. The person who harassed me is gogo odukue. I went to west haven high school with him he lives in east haven these people need to be arrested before they take any more money from people when I got home i told my uncle what happened to me he said those people are full of shit they want your money ixp is a pyramid sceme if a person comes up to you and says do you want to make some money i work for a internet company and their giving out jobs it is a bull shit lie when I went to the hotel with the police its like thy were nver their the police need to shut down this company. odukue grace needes to be in prison fo theft. The police needs to checkout his year book pcture of him at west haven high school.I thinnk the cops should go under cover to find these bitches.
My Thoughts on IXP.NET
IXP.NET is a company that placed a mirror in front of me and allowed me to see the truth about myself. That if I have to accomplish any type of success I need to better myself on the interior and it is dependent on any other external force. IXP has also given me the privilege of being around positive, success, and energetic individuals who keep me motivated to become better person that I am each day. I thank Mr. Dennis Wong for creating such a great company and for giving the opportunity to see that there is something better for me than how I am today.
Dennis Wong and Dr. Luis Arriaza are individuals who have made an extremely positive impact on my life and the manner in which I think. They have made me a more open-minded, stronger, and more positively influential individual than I was before being introduced to them. This was done by helping me realize the truth about life and most importantly the truth about myself. Their leadership has helped me dig deeper within myself in order to stay on the road to success and the more that I found myself and got to know myself, the more success would become to me. These two individuals are powerful and influential individuals not because they care about themselves alone, but they understand relationships and the power of connection between people. This is what both of these individuals create in this company. Based on my experience observing these two individuals interact with the reps in the company, I can see that there is usually a positive connection between them and the reps. With my own experience speaking with them, I felt the energy that they did have a concern and a care for my wellbeing in this company and other aspects of my life because when either Dr. Arriaza or Mr. Wong speaks, both speaks with a certain passion that can only be experienced when in their presence. In my eyes this shows that they possess a wealth more valuable than the money that anyone can earn. They have spiritual wealth, which in my opinion is understanding spirituality. I thank both of these individuals for all their contributions that they gave me by just having the privilege of hearing them speak and affirm the truth.
Any of the people out there who think IXP.NET is a scam, take a look at yourself and read more about the industry we are in
for all of the people out there who think ixp.net is a scam, this should be a great post to read. i was in the same position as all of you were, but i read into it more. i am an involved representative of ixp.net and am very comfortable saying that this company is the farthest thing from a scam i could imagine.
when people say ixp.net is a scam, they are really trying to say that there is no product that we provide. however, we clearly provide a great product that anyone has access to at anytime in nearly 30 different countries in the world.
let me ask all of you negative thinkers out there, do we not sell internet access? if you don't know that answer, you have obviously not been around ixp.net too much and your just listening to the garbage that has been posted by people that are in the same situation as you.
i completely understand that this is a different type of business and many young people are attempting to do very well at that, but for saying that we are 'targeting' people in college is ludacris.
if you are reading this message and haven't read anything about network marketing you should really take a look at yourself and ask if you've really done any sufficient research.
what we have is a very simple system that is helping many people across the globe not just financially, emotionally, spiritually,etc., I can vouch for that myself. before i was in this industry i was very uncomfortable with myself but i have been able to be more in touch with myself by being around people that truely and honestly care about me.
again, i can understand if there are people that don't believe that we care about you, that's cool because i felt the same way once. all i did to 'test' it out was to give them a chance and see if the reps really do care about each other and aren't trying to 'trick' me into believing they 'like' me.
low and behold, once i gave all of these people a chance we have all become very close, concerning business or not, and i have relationships with these people i would never want to tarnish.
also, if the whole point to our business was to recruit others to make $, that would be a scam with no questions asked.
with our company we have short and long term financial plans, which proves that we are a legit company.
in this industry there has to be a 2-1 customer to representative ratio to be a legit business, which we are.
but if you aren't around ixp and are trying to read into this company, you won't find that because we don't need to brag to people how good we are. if you're not interested no problem, being financially independent isn't for everyone anyway.
another thing, how can you say we force you into giving us money when we clearly never make any threats to anyone if they don't join? i have never seen a representative put a gun to someone to make them join, what we do is let the person understand what they can do with us that you would never be able to do in a traditional job.
this is all and good this web page and everything, because if you people have ever heard of AmWay, we are just doing the same thing, we just haven't been around as long.
AmWay is a MLM company that has grossed Billions every year, as of recent almost $9 Billion per year. if you have any questions about them, then you really do not understand MLM and will never understand IXP.NET
IXP.NET is an organization that has completely changed my lie, and nobody has ever EVER forced me to do anything for their own good. I have been given my own choice to do what i have done and that is the only way i will ever do anything. if i don't want to do something , i'm not going to do it. Doctor Luis Arriaza has never made me do anything i didn't want to, neither has Dennis Wong.
Another thing. The entire dispute with the FTC. if you knew anything about Network Marketing/MLM, the closets governing body is the FTC. they have to check companies like IXP.NET/2by2.net to see if they are running a successful and legit business.
For all of you saying that we have a bad rap with the FTC,we don't. IF the company had a bad rap with the FTC, we wouldn't be around, plain and simple. The FTC has looked at us, and spoken to Dennis Wong himself, letting him know that the flashlight is on us and they are watching our every move, and everything is going fine.
Noone will ever make any money without and customers, that's the bottom line. If you are all saying this is a scam, ask yourself what a scam is and then ask if we fit into that position.
You are not going to be an employee of IXP.NET that's the reason you pay. obviously this is not a job, this is an income opportunity for you where you have a chance to live the life you want to live. we don't make any false promises, but the title of this 'rip-off report' is that we steal money and make false promises.
bottom line, get involved or get left behind, because one way or another you will hear of ixp.net when we go public. when we do, there will be people that will be making money, and many others will be customers of an extremely wonderful internet service like no other. the choice is up to you.
Mr. Dennis Wong , and Mr. Jeffrey P. Morgan, thank you for your visionary spirit and giving individuals the opportunity in helping you and helping themselves in the same light. both of you have given me a life i would never have thought i could live and i have no clue what i would be doing happily without this.
Submitted: 10/25/2004 6:54:57 AM
Modified: 10/25/2004 4:07:04 PMNicole
Wheatley Heights, New YorkU.S.A.
This is the Greatest Company
Ixp. net is the greatest company. It has done so much for me and my Family. Before this company i was on the wrong trackof my life. I was partying and smoking because i wanted to run away from my problems i did not know who i was or who i wanted to be. Through my relationship with Dr. Luis Arrizza he has been able to change my life in such a drastic way.
He took a shy,self conscious, under acheiver and turned me around to a life i never knew was possible. A life with out fear and doubt, a life without negativity. He gave me a life with postivity, people who really care about me, abundace and happiness.
Dr. Luis and Dennis Wong are execptional people because they help people and give them exactly what they are seeking as long as person seeking is willing to sacrafice a little of thier old way, work a little harder in the business and especially on themselves.
I am so happy that i was able to meet these gentlemen. I am forever endebted to them. I Love IXP !!!!!!
It's not a scam
You guys are wrong, especially when making acuusations that Dr. Luis Arriaza and Mr. Dennis Wong are brainwashing us. In fact they are not trying to brainwash us at all, they are only opening our eyes to a wonderful business oppertunity. The 2 individuals mentioned above, are warm and caring people who only want to help other
Leadership Trainee
Since I have been a member of the IXP.net program I have not only found a form of direction in my life, but has also been able to bring me better relationships with those I regularly interact with and those that I newly engaged eith each day. I find myself finding solutions to long asked questions, while creating new questions that allow me brainstorm. Through this company I have met many beautiful people with exteriors to match their stunning interiors. I just hope that everyone can receive this unbelievable opportunity to not only build a current and future financial freedom for yourself and your loved ones, but to able to meet people that your can socialize with on many accords. IXP.net is far more than just a product it truly does give you a greater appreciation of self and others. Thus, this company gives everyone involved a honest and fair opportunity to realize their true self-worth to their direct communities and society.
The mark of an educated mind is to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Unlike most people, I won't write a response bashing anything that has been said. My experience with IXP.net has been one that I wouldn't trade for all the money in the world.
I am a college graduate, with degrees from two different schools. I graduated from Nassau Community College, one of the top rated JUCO schools in the nation, and on the Dean's List from St. John's University. To some people that means a lot because there are millions of people from the ages 18 and up striving for the same pieces of paper I have. What came as a huge surprise to me is that I've learned more about the real marketplace in 9 months of being involved in IXP.net than in my 4 years of college education.
The minute you walk into the room with Dr. Luis Ariazza or Mr. Dennis Wong being present you immediately feel that you are in the right place. Dr. Ariazza and Mr. Dennis Wong are two people who answer all questions without thought, from their gut. They take the time to speak to each and every person who wishes to speak to them. They have nutured some incredible leaders who are doing some tremendously positive things in the world today.
Mr. Dennis Wong is the realest person I've ever met. He is no holds barred, uncut, absolute, TRUTH. He makes it very clear to everyone who is interested in getting involved in IXP.net that it is not a get rich quick scheme and it requires serious and genuine effort to get to the level he is at. He tells the truth so often, at times he tells us things that we don't even need to know. Mr. Dennis Wong does not promise anyone riches.
Through the experiences of Mr. Dennis Wong a lot of young people are learning to avoid a lot of negativity and incorrect paths. Mr. Dennis Wong is a complete open book, and he has influenced the leaders in the company, especially Dr. Luis Ariazza, to be as he is, honest.
'The things that will destroy us are politics without principle, pleasure without conscience, wealth without work, knowledge without character, business without morality, science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice.'
-Ghandi
Now perhaps a few peoples' feelings might have gotten hurt, because the truth hurts. It hurts to know that you're lazy if you aren't honest with yourself. It hurts enough to create a website to complain about it. We all know that misery loves company, so it really isn't hard to get a bunch a people to complain. All they need is an ear. If you joined IXP.net, and say you've made it to everything, every training, you've always listened to your upline and the leaders, and you didn't try to make your own system, and it still didn't work then you have an arguement. But I know you didn't because throughout my 9 months in IXP.net, everytime I veered off the system, the brickwall was waiting. As soon as I got back on, the wall disappears. Complainers continue to complain while life moves on by.
We at IXP.net have consistenly bettered our lives and will continuously better our lives through ingenuity, integrity, innovation, and most importantly through love and firstly God.
'Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers' and elders'. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.'
I Love IXP
I am so glad the opportunity permitted itself for me to get involved in the greatest company on the face of the earth, IXP.net. Throughout my experience in IXP.net, and my interaction with Mr. Dennis Wong and Dr. Luis Arriaza, I have been able to become a better person, with better relationships, and the greatest positive outlook on life. I have been able to achieve a sense of happiness I never thought possible.
Not only is IXP.net helping me to become a better person, but the income potential is outstanding if you WORK HARD AND PAY ATTENTION. I have been able to help so many people while helping myself through this company.
I have no doubt that while I stay in close quarters with extraordinary gentlemen like Mr. Dennis Wong and Dr. Luis Arriaza as well as the many positive representatives of IXP.net, we will be able to completely change the world for the better.
I have been able to dispose of my 'Not Much' attitude, which so many of us attain in life, because I have learned by thinking that way, you will achieve just that, not much!
What I love about IXP.net is that there are only two ways to fail in the business, to never get started, and to start and quit. Quitters never win. Quitters usually have a negative attitude. People don't get what they wish for, they get what they deserve. Success in this business will come when you put in the effort required. You can't blame your lack of success on anyone but yourself. That's another thing I learned through IXP.net, responsibility.
When anything, anyone, any business is successful, there is always going to be people that try to squash that success, through any means necessary. I am not worried about this website or the future of IXP.net. This just goes to show that we are doing something right
I LOVE IXP!!!
Submitted: 10/29/2004 5:09:36 PM
Modified: 10/29/2004 11:37:09 PMSammy
Palm Springs, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Same guy writing all these support reports
Just for those of you who actually may haveread the above few responses, it is important for you to know that they all are coming from the same guy.
This person used to go to the 2by2sucks forum and use the same tactics to bury important information that people need to know to prevent getting ripped off.
He used the same arguments, word for word, but we knew it was the same guy because even though he tried to change his name, he was too dumb to know that his IP address showed up each time.
One key way to also know this is the same ignorant individual is that he is the only idiot stupid enough to think that 'NO ONE' is just one word.
He always spells it 'NOONE'. That's not even a word.
Anyway, the rhetoric he spouts is verbatim what WOng and Arriaza teach them.
The proof is in their track record, which he will soon learn. The important thing is that people out there be forewarned about the truth from people who have been burned and not have these facts buried by blind followers who dont believe FACTS.
Submitted: 10/30/2004 5:08:20 PM
Modified: 10/30/2004 10:03:27 PMJuan
West Covina, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Look At Arriaza's and Wong's History
Despite the praise of whoever wrote the few above pieces, at look at these 2 men's past will let you draw some informed conclusions on this company.
First of all, Mr Dennis Wong and Jeff Morgan had several lawsuits filed against them when they were in their telecommunications MLM. They then bolted and started 2by2.
Now, 2by2 gets several lawsuits, one by the FTC which they LOSE, and they change their company name.
Nice track record.
Now look at Dr Arriaza. There is even a rippff report on him for his other business, which is a chiropractic office.
In that business, he is under investigation for insurance fraud and attorney kickbacks.
He likes to stand on stage on profess that his integrity is what has made him a success. In reality, it is his ability to ILLEGALLY PAY ATTORNEYS FOR AUTO AND WORK INJURY PATIENTS.
So again, no matter how charming someone is when you walk into the room, the real person is represented by their history and their acts.
After all, most people who knew evil men like Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and the like all say the same thing when they hear about what they have done,' He was just the most charming person, so nice, he would never have hurt a fly.'
Sociopaths are very often the most convincing and charming people around. Listen to your gut and don't get fooled!
Submitted: 11/11/2004 10:43:21 PM
Modified: 11/11/2004 11:11:12 PM
Caron
Wheatley Heights, New YorkU.S.A.
The Ultimate Change: Financially and Emotionally
Ixp.net has been one of the most rewarding experiences in my life to date. I have been following Mr. Wong and Dr. Arriaza for 2 years but been with IXP for 1 year. This company has taken me from a person scared of rejection, scared to fail, and full of self-doubt to an individual equipped with all the tools necessary to conquer any endeavor. This company has truly given me the opportunity to learn who I am and in turn this has allowed me to make some money and help others do the same. If it wasn't for Mr. Wong and IXP, I don't know where I would be right now. I would probably be lost and in a constant struggle between what I wanted people to see me as and who I really am on the inside. There is no other company that will teach you how to make money, learn about you, learn about people and relationships, learn how to be a better person, and teach others to do the same like this company can. If you don't know, now you know.
Wait for the commercial!!!!
WOW I can not believe there is so much negativity in this world
Why is it that there are so many people bashing my incredible company? I guess the IXP mirror showed you something you really did not want to see.
I love IXP.net so much and I thank God for have given me the opportunity to hear about it. There is nothing better than working with people you truly love and care for and that's exactly what you get with IXP.
Thanks to Mr. Dennis Wong and Dr. Luis Ariazza my life has done a complete 180 for the better. I was once a very shy girl that any and everyone could take advantage of, but not anymore. I owe that in large part to these two gentlemen, Mr. Wong and Dr. Ariazza. Because of them I am now more aware of the person I am and can now become the person I want to be. They have allowed me to break out of my shyness and showed me that anything I want is attainable.
In order to be successful in this company you really have to first look inside you and change all the bad in you before anything. I can see from some of the things that were said about my wonderful company that many of you were not able to get rid of the negativity in your lives. Maybe that's why you are so angry and have said so many nasty things about IXP.
However, I'm not writing to convince anyone that IXP is for them. I just wanted to write about what this company, along with the guidance of Mr. Dennis Wong and Dr. Luis Ariazza, has done for me.
I would never trade the feeling I get when I'm around the wonderful individuals of IXP.net for anything.
Like my fellow business partner Mr. Washington said I guess the negative people are just going to have to 'wait and see the commercial' to know that IXP was never a scam.
Great Brainwashing, and lots of BS ..Dennis Wong and Jeff Morgan have had lawsuits against them for deceptive marketing practices in their previous MLM companies, and also in 2by2/IXP.
Anyone looking into this company should research the FACTS behind it and not the rhetoric.
FACT- Dennis Wong and Jeff Morgan have had lawsuits against them for deceptive marketing practices in their previous MLM companies, and also in 2by2/IXP.
FACT- They LOST the lawsuit brought against IXP for an 11 million dollar verdict, which they were given the opportunity to make payments on.
FACT- IXP had to change their name from 2by2.net due to horrible word of mouth, death threats against WONG and ARRIAZA, and terrible undercover news pieces that aired on FOX 11 news. As a result, the company also had to start recruiting heavily out of state as well.
FACT- Dr ARRIAZA has been under investigation for insurance fraud and attorney kickbacks.
FACT- Hector FLORES was arrested and put in jail for LOAN FRAUD.
FACT- IXP is NOT the only company that offers what they claim to offer. There are dozens of IDENTICAL companies out there offering an online mall with an affiliate program and isp service.
FACT- The leaders LIE about their income. They EXAGERRATE the figures and UNDERREPORT how much effort it takes to even make the paltry sums they are bringing home.
DO your own research and you will see the truth. Go to bbb.com and look up 2by2.net in orange ca. Check out the FTC report.
BUt most of all, be really careful if you get involved with them. They make a lot of really grat promises, and keep you really pumped up, but over time you eventually learn the truth.
My side. this negative stuff about IXP and it just drives me crazy.
Okay. I see all of this negative stuff about IXP and it just drives me crazy.
When I saw this company - there were no huge incomes promised. Nothing promised. There was an opportunity to make money - and it was clear that it took massive effort and committment to make it. No one said I would make XYZ amount of money, no one said they were making alot of money. By no means were there false promises.
Now I will tell you, I have been in IXP for over a year. I haven't made very much money - well under a thousand dollars. But what I realize is that this is because of my own doing. All the people around me have given me infinite support -and still do today. I do not make them money, and I probably never will. They do not care. I am not here to make money anymore - I am here with my friends to learn about how to become better.
Dennis Wong has taught me to respect myself - and to become less shy. I think those things cannot be traded in for anything.
Dennis Wong will be the first person to say that 2by2 made mistakes. I know, because I have asked him. There were people in 2by2 that lied, that cheated. They were terminated. Dennis Wong will also be the first person to admit that he has made mistakes in his past.
But when Dennis Wong spends all day trying to help the representatives grow be reading John Maxwell, or whatever type of book, it becomes quite clear where his intentions lie. When he spends an hour of leadership helping one person with a personal problem, its clear. When some of my co-workers in IXP, NON-producers, spend 45 minutes on the phone with Mr. Wong because they need personal help, I cant help but say that I love this company, and I love this movement.
For those of you that cant seem to grasp any of this, it doesnt matter. But I can tell you after all of my time here - that being open-minded is a virtue. Think for yourself. Its not about the money here - maybe it was back in the day, but not anymore. If it were, I'd be gone. If you want to make it, you certainly can. There will be people for you everyday to help.
Thanks for reading.
Looks like brainwashing to me
From an above rebuttal:
'You guys are wrong, especially when making acuusations that Dr. Luis Arriaza and Mr. Dennis Wong are brainwashing us.'
I've never met anyone who said 'yup, I'm brainwashed, and I couldn't be happier' so I would naturally expect some opposition to an assertion that you are brainwashed. Let me point a few things out, however.
Nobody ever brainwashed somebody by being a jerk. Brainwashing is most easily accomplished by taking peoples' existing insecurities, magnifying them, showing them how those insecurities are ruining their lives, and 'showing them a better way.' Then, to solidify this effort, you make your target think that their former lives were garbage because nobody cared about them, but you will. With this in mind, let's look at a few comments from previous rebuttals:
'IXP.NET ... allowed me to see the truth about myself ... I have to accomplish any type of success I need to better myself on the interior ... IXP has also given me the privilege of being around positive ... individuals who keep me motivated to become better person that I am'
' before i was in this industry i was very uncomfortable with myself but i have been able to be more in touch with myself by being around people that truely and honestly care about me.'
' He took a shy,self conscious, under acheiver and turned me around to a life i never knew was possible... He gave me a life with postivity, people who really care about me, abundace and happiness.'
' I have been able to dispose of my 'Not Much' attitude, which so many of us attain in life, because I have learned by thinking that way, you will achieve just that, not much!'
' This company has taken me from a person scared of rejection, scared to fail, and full of self-doubt to an individual equipped with all the tools necessary to conquer any endeavor.'
I could post about 20 more of these, but I'll refrain. Sure, this all looks great. Who could
fault these guys for bettering peoples' lives? Well, when you consider the context in which this 'betterment' takes place, things sure start looking pretty shady. Here are a few facts for reference:
IXP is in the business of remarketing dial-up internet service, and (at least used to) claim vast income potentials through the sales of this service. As late as 2003 IXP was telling potential recruits that dial-up service would maintain its position as the service of choice. In fact, broadband use had already surpassed dial-up use in 2003. IXP also pointed to the continued success of AOL when, in fact, AOL sustained massive losses in 2002, and even more in 2003.
The FTC sought and procured an injunction barring Mall Ventures, DBA 2by2 and IXP, from:
Operating prohibited pyramid schemes; Misrepresenting potential incomes; Imposing (EXTREMELY) unreasonable refund conditions on consumers; THREATENING CONSUMERS WHO COMPLAIN TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES; and other acts and ommissions.
Defenders have stated that the FTC is happy with IXP, but is merely keeping a close eye on them. This injunction is not ancient history, folks. It was filed in January of this year. Leveling a multi-million dollar fine and a massive injunction doesn't equate with a 'close eye' in my book.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. You have all shelled out hundreds of dollars and I would wager dollars-to-donuts that very few of you have even recouped your losses.
One of the defenders stated above: 'AmWay is a MLM company that has grossed Billions every year ... if you have any questions about them, then you really do not understand MLM and will never understand IXP.NET.' Sure, Amway (now Quixtar) rakes in billions. The average agent, however, makes $110/month (Quixtar's own number, not mine) and usually spends more than that on motivational materials.
If you have been lead to beleive that what you are doing is great because it is the same thing Amway does, then you have definitely been brainwashed. I know everything I need to know about pyramid schemes, and Amway in particular, which is more than enough to keep me far away from them.
You could all probably do a little better without being so open-minded. Open minds are ripe for the scamming. The skeptical are rarely conned.
Life is not an AA meeting. Psychobabble and warm feelings are little compensation for wasted time and money.
Quick Fact ..AOL just sent about 8 million customers a letter stating that they can no longer offer them broadband.
Timmy... Check the news. AOL just sent about 8 million customers a letter stating that they can no longer offer them broadband. The reason being, it was costing them too much money. They were losing massive amounts of money. Secondly, most broadband companies have gone out of business or been bought out by other conglomerate companies who had the income to sustain it. I mean Comcast has more broadband users than anyone and Microsoft owns part of the company. Microsoft also has the #2 internet service as far as customer base in the country. Microsoft has been at the top of the charts for a while now as one of the companies with the largest amount of cashflow. Lastly, broadband never surpassed dial up. Stop trying to speak on something you know nothing about. If the company didn't work for you, so be it. Move on, if you add every person on here who has had something negative to say you would still add up to less than .01%. The numbers have to mean something. The numbers don't lie. People do. Admit that you couldn't take rejection or too much ego to move up. No one will be upset, in fact we'd appreciate some integrity more than dishonesty.
Buggy whips and engine cranks - you're marketing an obsolete product!
Actaully, Rashan, broadband use HAS exceeded dial up use. In fact, over the past few years, broadband use has steadily increased at about 47% per year while dial-up use is decreasing at 13% per year. Overall internet use has levelled off. If current trends continue, by 2006 broadband use will represent such a massive share of internet access that dial up services will probably be rendered non-existent. This information comes from the Nielsen ratings company.
I would definitely question somebody who is still trying to convince you that marketing dial up internet access is a viable business strategy. You do have foreign markets to tap in to yet, but you run in to such a massive host of legal and business problems in doing so that most reputable American companies won't even bother. If your long term business strategy is rooted in providing dial up service to third world countries, good luck with that. I wouldn't touch that market with a ten foot pole.
Furthermore, your market analysis misses the point. It doesn't matter that AOL failed to get into the broadband market, and it doesn't matter that the broadband market is pretty much monopolized by cable providers. What matters is that your company is marketing an antiquated product with virtually no new consumers and a negative retention rate. Have you ever seen the movie 'Other People's Money?' It's a terrible movie, but contains a point germane to this discussion: do you really want to be a company whose sole hope for survival is to grab up the shreds of a dying industry?
Marketing dial up internet service today is like marketing record players today. Some people still want it for whatever reason, but definitely not enough people to support an unlimited distribution network, which is the very essence of multi-level-marketing. Add to that the fact that you have to compete with companies that people have actually heard of, like AOL. I can not see how, by any stretch of the imagination, yours is a viable business plan.
But it wouldn't be perpetuated if its promoters weren't making money, right? How do you make enough money to cover massive FTC fines when you are in the business of marketing a dying product? I guess one good way would be to convince people that they can make thousands selling your wonderful product if only they hand over $450 for the privelege. Then, since they are 'independent contractors' and have no recourse when they don't even recoup their losses, you'll be sipping margaritas in Cancun.
If you want real integrity, don't assume that the only people critical of your company are failed recruits. There is enough negative info out there for me to go on for days about pyramid schemes and your company in particular without ever having been a victim. Nope, I was never involved with this outfit, nor any other pyramid scheme. I'm smart enough to recognize when I'm being taken for a ride, and skeptical enough of people who promise me the world to stay far away from them.
And, might I ask about what I was being dishonest? Was I being dishonest about the FTC injunction? The massive fine? The FTC rarely prosecutes pyramid schemes, but they went after your gurus with guns blazing. What does that tell you?
Open your eyes. In the land of the pyramids you're either one of the few at the top making it rich, or one of the millions at the bottom wasting your time and money. If you're at the top, you think the company is great because it puts the champagne and caviar on your table, and you'll do everything you can to perpetuate your lifestyle. If you're one of those at the bottom, you HOPE the company is great and will avert your eyes to the mountain of evidence that says otherwise.
Yes, look at the numbers. After all, numbers don't lie, people do. The numbers say that over 98% percent of people involved in pyramid schemes that require an initial investment will lose money. That comes from the FTC, and has been verified by numerous other sources. What do you have? Two or three guys making new recruits believe that their former lives were terrible and that nobody cares about them, all so they can take $450 from people who can't afford it in the first place, so that those poor saps will have the privelege of trying to sell buggy whips and anvils to a populous with no more buggies and no more blacksmiths.
Pyramid schemes are presumptively a scam. Since numbers are so important to you, can you give me some verifiable numbers (statistics, not anecdotes) that would suggest that people actually make money with the company you are defending? Remember, if you give me false information, you are personally liable under the FTC Act!
What sense do you make? Netzero has been increasing their customer base
AOL........ approx...24.7 million customers
MSN ........approx...8.7 million customers
NetZero ....approx...5.9 million customers
Earthlink...approx...5.2 million customers
And you said dial is dead and plummeting???
Netzero has been increasing their customer base every few months and their bread and butter is dial up. Just the same, AOL's, MSN's and Earthlink's bread and butter is dial up. So now you are saying that these four multi-billion dollar companies don't see something that little Timmy from Valparaiso, Indiana sees. Get real. Speak the truth. The numbers don't lie. People do. Stop lying Timmy.
You are bordering on libel.
THIS IS A GOOD ONE!!!!!!!
I come from a family where living right, and doing good was never really taught. In quite A few instances, I was praised for semi wrong doing.
I wouldn't get in trouble for using drugs, profanity, getting kicked out of school ect. Why? because i was doing these things w/ parents. Parents with no Love*
Than here comes a company called IXP.NET Which is filled with so many people who truly care. Something i never really got growing up. If you really understood, or even was able to comprehend what we are doing. There would be no ripoff forum.
IXP.NET has changed my entire life. For the better may i ad. Theres no other company that gives you so much personal attention. I have worked in many fields. Yet I've been held back from the people that surrounded me. In IXP Iam surrounded with vibrant proffesional very caring people. It's given me vision. It's led me to lead a positive, fun-filled, profesional, prosperous life!
Coming from my background drugs were money. Having clientel when your 14 for things you shouldnt even know about. You can see how there could possibly be legal, and life threating experiences coming from that. I was headed down the wrong path. IXP saved me from all my wrong doings. Almost overnight i made a 360 degree spin for the better. Thanx to caring people in this company. Never have i heard of any promises of large income nor have we ever ripped anyone off *POTENTIAL* income? OF COURSE how much depends on you.
Everything we do here at IXP.NET is completly legal. Call FTC head quarters and ask. The only reason i even took time out to write to this forum was to tell anyone who is dissin the company because their lack of vision or lack of talent for marketing a very useful product. That its not even about the money.Its about helping people. I was helped so i will help for the rest of my life.Through this company Its also about saving lives. I know IXP has saved mine.
FACTS AND HISTORY DO NOT LIE
For those people above who are preaching about how great the company is and how much it affected your life, we out here in California we once like them. We once denied all the accusations, and vehemently defended the integrity of MR WOng and Dr Arriaza and CLiff and Dave and all the other leaders.
That was until the facts were revealed.
Look at the FTC lawsuit. Read the details.
Mr Wong tries to blame a few rogue reps for these problems, but the tactics described in the lawsuit were taught by him.
My eyes were opened to how deceptive he is when I got into the upper leadership. There he taught us the tricks that he said the average rep could not handle and should never know.
He said in these meetings he was giving us the 'meat', while he gave all the other reps the '
baby food' that made them feel good.
Mr Wong said his favorite thing was to 'MIND FUCK' people...straight from his mouth.
Dr Arriaza said the same thing.
They both said most people are WEAK and need to be LED, and that you could not let anything stand in your way of your success.
Also, another great quote of these 2 'great spiritual leaders' was that 'YOU MUST HAVE YOUR SPIRITUAL HAND, AND YOUR BUSINESS HAND, AND ONE CANNOT KNOW WHAT THE OTHER IS DOING.'
Make your own decision, but be forewarned. These men are very charming and convincing, but over time, you too will see what we saw here in California. FALSE PROMISES. Watch out!
The numbers game
Numbers don't lie (if they are accurate), but anybody familiar with basic statistics will tell you that a plain list of numbers means nothing without other relevant information. Such relevant information, in this case, would include the fact that AOL lost over 2 million customers in the past year. With that in mind, it matters not that AOL currently has a large customer base. What matters is that it used to be much larger.
Also, the increase in NetZero customers is not all that meaningful when their customer base was so small to start, and is still relatively minute. Maybe you heard about the recent stabbing incident at our local high school. That incident more than doubled the annual rate of stabbings here in Valparaiso. But that statistic means little when you consider that there were less than ten last year.
NetZero's customer base has not increased because of an overall increase in demand for dial-up service. Rather, their increase is attributable to a massive change in both the marketing of their product and the product itself.
In other words, your numbers, while not 'lying,' are not giving any relevant information. The fact remains that the days of dial-up internet service are numbered.
You see Rashan, you HOPE that I am lying, because relying on the notion that my statements are false allows you to easily attack them as such, thus avoiding the chore of self-perspective. However, the following facts remain:
1) Your company markets an unviable product, yet charges recruits hundreds of dollars for the privelege of a commissioned position within an unlimited and unprotected distribution network;
2) Rebuttals from other supporters reek of an orchestrated brainwashing;
3) Your company's promoters have been found by the FTC and at least one federal court of being egregious scam artists.
1+2+3=SCAM.
Now then, you have accused me of bordering on libel. FYI, libel requires more than saying negative things. For me to be culpable for libel I would have to either knowingly make false statements, or make false statements out of a reckless disregard for the truth. Such is not the case.
I have not disregarded the truth. I am trying to prevent YOU and other people who I would consider victims from disregarding the truth yourselves. People trapped in pyramid schemes will do everything they can to ignore the mountains of evidence that tell them they are wasting their time and money, because nobody wants to beliee that they have been scammed.
The undeniable TRUTH, however, is that the vast majority (some estimates say as much as 98%) of people who are recruited into pyramid schemes will ultimately LOSE MONEY. Which brings me back to a question I posed earlier: Since numbers are so important to you, can you give me some verifiable numbers (statistics, not anecdotes) that would suggest that people actually make money with the company you are defending?
By the way, my name is Tim, not Timmy. I have shown you the respect of not calling you 'Rashy.' Show some class and reciprocate. If you must resort to belittling me to defend you position, then your position isn't really worth defending, is it?
Oddly Enough...
Tim, it's funny how no matter what is said you find a way to speak. The part that is even funnier is that every time you fall in another pothole. 'AOL lost over 2 million customers in the past year.' That is true, however NetZero's jumped by about 700,000 and MSN jumped by about 300,000, and Earthlink jumped by about 250,000. Do the math, that's approximately 1.25 million subscribers. There is no such thing as customer loyalty, so could it be possible that those customers switched to a cheaper carrier with similiar or better value. 'The increase in NetZero's customers is not all that meaningful when their customer base was so small to start, and is still relatively minute.' NetZero currently has more customers than most broadband companies that you can name. But you call 5.9 million customers, minute. Tim either you are the one leaving out valuable, relevant information, or you're speaking on what you think you know. Perhaps you are using your degree in Assumption. You know what happens when you do that. The fact that AOL's customer base alone excluding all other dial companies, out-subscribes the entire broadband industry, you still feel dial-up isn't where the money is.
Lastly..
#1-The average amount of money made in this company is more than the start-up costs.
#2-That is purely your opinion.
#3-The company was not found to be scam artists. Stop trying to manipulate words to support your opinion.
I'm so glad you know what libel is. Unfortunately for you, because everything you are stating is purely opinion and you have been, on several rebuttals, put on notice that what you are saying isn't fact. so therefore you are recklessly speaking and disregarding the facts.
#3-
Submitted: 12/1/2004 5:41:14 PM
Modified: 12/1/2004 11:24:21 PMKristian
Long Beach, CaliforniaU.S.A.
IXP does a great job...brainwashing
What Tim says about 'brainwashed' responses is true, and Rashan has to know that. We were all trained what to say in response to any questions presented us.
When the FTC suit came to light, and when the undercover TV report came out, Mr Wong spent 3 hours in Sunday leadership teaching us how to overcome and answer these charges.
Same thing when the lawsuits came out from his previous MLM company. He spent a whole session on those charges too.
Also, all the dial up and broadband figures, word for word, were taught to us by Dennis 2 years ago.
THe funny thing is that Dennis always also says you must be ahead of the wave of technology in order to that you can take advantage of it. Simultaneously, he clings to the past with dial up.
Same brainwashing, just in a different US state.
So Tim's #2 statement is FACT, not opinion.
Lastly, the real danger of this company is not the potential loss of a few hundred bucks at startup.
The real danger is how too many people get sucked in too these 'pie in the sky' dreams and promises and destroy their lives and relationships in the process while chasing a dream that is promised but never comes.
Just look at the lives of Wong and Arriaza. Look at the money that those supposed top producers make, and find out if there are any real residuals. There are not.
Most of the money still comes from busting your butt to recruit new people. You get around the 'pyramid scheme' by making the new recruit get 2 ISP customers. Usually the new rep pays for it themselves, or they pressure a close friend or family member to get it for a month. Then they end up paying for it themselves to keep the bonus money coming in off the recruiting.
Case in point,Leo Alba bought $2000 woht of ISP service to get promoted so he could get an increased bonus. That is a FACT. He did nOT have the customers. I was there when he told us that was what he did. Dennis and Arriaza knew about it.
Arriaza gets his ISP customers by giving them away to his chiropractic patients as a 'bonus'.
Rashan, and anyone else out there, these are the facts. There is no rhetoric here. I was a leader in the co, and just want to help people not suffer like many of the people I was in the company with did.
And by the way, I did make money with the company. About 10 grand. But I was a 'top producer' and was speaking 4 nights per week. I was an illusion for people like Rashan.
One of the 'top producers' above me, who used to sell about 100 to 300 websites per week, only made $25000 over a 2 year period.
The good, the bad, and the ugly.
The Good- The IXP Rep. who found me.
The Bad- The pyramid scheme presented.
The Ugly- IXP.net and it's misleading presentation.
Alright, I may be only 18 years old and a freshman in college, but I feel that I have been really really misled from my experience in the last week. Heres my story.
I work as a sales person and make very little money. But one day I met a customer who I talked to for a good twenty minutes and out of no where he was like 'do you want to make more MONEY?' and 'are you looking for another JOB?'. I was like hell yea, I'm a teen and in college, of course more money is always good. A week or two passed and I recieved a phone call and he said to meet one of the managers at a local coffee shop and talk. Just to update you guys, I still have no idea why I'm getting dressed up for an interview, for a job that i never aplied to, for a job that when i asked what it is, my response was 'it's a new international internet company that is trying to enter the American market'.
Alright, so i go to the interview and the 'manager' is constantly looking at me eye to eye and saying things like 'do you want money?', 'how important is money to you?', 'where do you see yourself in a few years?', and finally 'if you try hard with us you can be succesful. we have employees making 40k-60k, 80k-120k, and 125k+!'.
I was blown away and excited, BUT i was still not told what the hell the product was!? wut is the actually business? i thought more about how i was going to sell a product than how much money i was going to make. all because i am used to actually working to make money and tryin to learn my product. this is was i think saved me and my 450$.
so i went to the invited meeting @ a hotel the following week and was greeted by a very energetic crowd, i mean these ppl were happy as hell and kept on smiling and greeting me. when the meeting started all i heard about for 3 hours was how to make money, wut do you want to do with your money, where do you see yourself in so many years, look how succesful these ppl are, and blah blah blah. i was damn near about to pass out and knew some thing was up b/c i still DID NOT LEARN ABOUT THE DAMNED PRODUCT WHICH I THOUGHT MY NEW JOBBBBBBB WAS SUPOSED TO BE ABOUT SELLING! so finally, for like 20 minutes at the end of a 4 hour meeting they introduce the product, i write and take notes as fast as i can. and its over, not to menchion my 'leader or manager' made me greet alll the directors and managers who were treated like god for some stupid reason.
they tried to make me pay 300$ on the spot, took my driver's license and SS number and were like so 'if you cant pay now when can you?' and 'you dont have a credit card?' and 'you can borrow money' and i was like dude, im a kid and the money i make is strictly towards food, school, and bills. if im going to use 300$ that fast, i want to save up and htink about it.
it wasnt untill i stepped outside to warm up my car and leave @ 11pm that i started histarically laughing out loud to my self in my car. every thing started to make sense. every time i said 'ohh so this is sort of like a PYRAMID type thing right?', my manager would get all upset and quickly respond back with other things. and every time i asked about the product they would give me a run around.
i have never replied to another phone call from my managers and the only thing that scares me is that they have all my info. all i can say is thank god i did sum online research on this company call IXP.net, who would have known they have such a history.
well to make a longer story short, i plan on following up very deeply on this and taking advantage of whats up.